We asked  DeSantis whether he would ever be willing to be Donald Trump‘s running mate. He said: “I don’t think so. I don’t think I’m a number two guy. I think I’m a leader, governor of Florida, I’ve accomplished a lot. I think I could do more staying there than being VP, which doesn’t really have any authority.” We asked him to name two people he might pick as his running mate if he’s the nominee, and he declined to say, asking WRN who we think he should pick.

DeSantis appeared on the podcast of Wisconsin Right Now, the state’s most popular conservative news site outside talk radio, on July 11. WRN has also extended an invite to Trump to come on the podcast and have the same opportunity, but we haven’t heard back yet. WRN is staying neutral in the GOP primary for president, at least for now.

DeSantis also said that Trump should acknowledge he did not get COVID right because he empowered Dr. Fauci. According to DeSantis, on the issue of picking the right personnel, he said he picked a surgeon general in Florida who was the “anti-Fauci,” and fought against mask and vaccine mandates and to keep kids in schools. He also said that Trump appointed a “woke general” (Mark Milley). DeSantis promised to refocus the military, which he said has been politicized and subjected to woke ideology.

We asked DeSantis if he would pardon Trump if Trump is convicted and he’s president. He said, “We are going to end weaponization of government, and as part of that we are going to be issuing pardons.” He said there will be a process for people to apply, and people who were treated unfairly as part of a “two-tiered justice system” would be looked at favorably for pardons. He noted that Trump maintains his innocence so he thinks it’s “presumptuous to presume under that situation that he would be convicted.”

We asked DeSantis to specify the ways he differs on policy questions from Trump. He said:

DeSantis also pledged to take the fight to the drug cartels at the U.S./Mexican border with lethal force by the border patrol and military if necessary, to finish Trump’s border wall on “day one,” to declare a national emergency at the border on day one and to oppose birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants.

“I would do the wall better,” DeSantis said on the WRN podcast. “Cartels cut through it. They’re literally bringing product into our country right through the wall.” He said he would use drones and censors and the military or border patrol would engage the cartels with “lethal force” if they see that occurring.

Asked a question from a conservative youth (Jenna Piwowarczyk, a Young America’s Foundation chapter leader) about younger generations erroneously thinking communism and socialism are utopias, DeSantis said that in Florida every year schools are required on Nov. 10 to teach kids about the evils of Communism, Socialism and Leninism. In other states, the education system has ignored the evils and victims of Communism, he said on the WRN podcast.

He criticized transgender surgeries, puberty blockers, and hormones for minors, saying parents are being lied to that their children will commit suicide with them.

DeSantis said in the podcast that he believes the U.S. government should use its leverage to bring sustained peace to Ukraine and Russia, criticizing what he called Biden’s “blank check” that is depleting the Unites States’ weapons reserves from other countries that could use them, like Taiwan.

We asked DeSantis if he supported impeaching Attorney General Merrick Garland and President Biden. With an “honest FBI and federal agencies,” Biden and his family would be “done 10 ways from Sunday” because of the amount of money “flowing into their coffers,” DeSantis said on the WRN podcast. He said it’s “just unbelievable” nothing has happened, calling it a “farce.”